Sir Keir Starmer wins Labour Leadership Contest
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Chapter 16 -Coronavirus post continued - Lockdown day 12/13
Saturday 4 April/ 5 April
Keep sharing and caring.. keep your thoughts and concerns coming and support each other during this difficult time.
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Royal Mail Changes to Services in London
https://www.mylondon.news/news/uk-world-news/royal-mail-announces-changes-post-18037979
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Coronavirus and the unequal divide
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letters/coronavirus-boris-johnson-nhs-furlough-football-a9440886.html?amp&utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=Feed
Sad tragedy for Kennedy family
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/maeve-kennedy-mckean-missing-robert-f-kennedy-granddaughter-son-gideon-jfk-chesapeake-bay-boat-a9446856.html?amp
When Keyworkers are pulled over by Police
My nephew is a keyworker. He works for an electricity supply company. If he is ever stopped by the police he has a letter from his employer to prove he is a keyworker and he is not breaking the lockdown rules by being in his car or van.
Being typically him he is using it to drive to friends and to here. Today he came here with a friend who is his barber to borrow my spare room to get his hair cut. Then later another friend turned up.
They were joking about police stopping people and handing out fines, and people driving when they shouldn't be. I said, "yes, like you ". His friend said that he keeps a bag of shopping in the car so he can tell any Police officer that he has just been shopping.
I have given up telling him he shouldn't be visiting me.
As for my sister and her daughter, I have declared them members of my household even though they don't live here. She's a really good cook and as they live in a flat they do not have their own household.
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Neighbourhood Watch Our News Special Edition Enewsletter Published
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Message from Amy Clements Commander For Chiltern and South Buckinghamshire Police Area
I understand that this is a difficult and worrying time for a lot people as we all make significant adjustments to our daily lives to follow the movement restrictions set out by the Government. These measures have been put in place to stop the spread of the Coronavirus, to protect the NHS and to save lives.
You will be aware that the police were recently given new powers to help reinforce these measures. Our approach to these is to engage with our public, explain the measures and why they’re in force and encourage everyone to keep to the new measures. We have been given enforcement powers, but will only use these as a last resort.
My officers will routinely be stopping members of the public and vehicles to ensure that the Government’s advice is being followed so please don’t be alarmed if you are stopped but we do ask that you work with us and follow any instructions that officers may give you.
I know that in the uncertainty of the current climate you may feel anxious, unsettled and fearful. I want to reassure you that in Chiltern & South Bucks we are still policing as normal and we are responding to emergency calls and investigating crime as we do at any other time. We continue to police our community priorities of burglary prevention, drugs and anti-social behaviour.
In addition to our normal policing duties, we are also helping to keep the country safe from Coronavirus by ensuring people keep to the movement restrictions. We cannot do that without you, and I thank everyone who is adhering to the guidance, staying home unless absolutely necessary, and saving lives by doing so.
Lastly, I want to say a huge thank you for all the messages of support and generous donations that have been made to my team: just this week we have had donations of protective masks, gloves and hand sanitiser as well as many messages of support. All of this makes a difference – thank you.
By continuing to stay home, you can protect the NHS and save lives. Thank you again for your co-operation during these challenging times.
Sent on behalf of Superintendent Amy Clements, Commander for Chiltern and South Buckinghamshire LPA (Local Policing Area)
Useful information and advice
For more information on the Government’s restrictions, please visit the GOV.UK website.
You can find a number of frequently asked questions and messages from Chief Constable John Campbell on our website.
You can report a suspected breach of coronavirus measures through the dedicated form on the Thames Valley Police website.
If you need to report anything to us that is not an emergency, you might experience some delays calling 101 so where possible report through the Thames Valley Police website. In an emergency always call 999.
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Mel Reedman (Police, Communications Officer, Thames Valley)
are extending membership for 3 months and reviewing after that. Now, National Trust???
In order to get a sense of proportion, we need more information. Currently, all deaths where the deceased had COVID-19 Coronovirus are recorded as deaths due to the virus. As Terry4 said a few days ago, we need to know how many deaths occurred due to the virus and how many with the virus. We had a little more clarity at yesterday’s briefing when it was said that, of the 2,921 deaths in the UK, 44 people had no underlying health issues. Those figures could be overstated. If the deaths are investigated, as they should be, we may discover some of those had heath issues that had not been identified.
The daily death figures are only those in hospitals. The Office for National Statistics issued figures on Wednesday that included deaths in nursing homes and at home, an additional 40 for the period to Wednesday 25th March. I have asked the ONS to make additional information available so that comparisons can be made with deaths in previous years.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26
I realise that, without the virus, some of those with underlying health issues may have lived for years longer and others may have died from other causes.
Before I am criticised for suggesting anyone questions the current group think, please take the time to consider this. It has been claimed that the Conservative government’s austerity policy has cost tens of thousands of lives; some people claim it is more than a hundred thousand. If the World’s economy is shut down for an extended period, the hardship caused by closed businesses, unemployment, dividends not paid, inflation, further erosion of savings, homelessness, the burden of personal, business and government debt and the higher taxes and additional cuts to public services needed to repay it could make the previous austerity seem generous.
We cannot read anything into the number of tests or positive results reported because testing is very limited and focused on patients showing symptoms with some testing of NHS staff. We therefore have no real idea of how many people have or have had the virus.
There have been various estimates of the death rate from COVID-19 ranging between 0.5% and 1.0%. Some suggest the rate may be much lower. Yesterday, 44 deaths out of 2,921 (1 in 66) in the UK were stated to have had no underlying health issues. I have used yesterday’s figures instead of today’s because I have not seen any updated figures for the number of deaths with no underlying health issues.
Based on the 1.0% overall death rate, this equates to a death rate of 0.015% (15 per 100,000) for those with no underlying health issues. Based on the lower 0.5% overall death rate, the death rate for those with no underlying health issues is 0.0075 (15 per 200,000).
According to the ONS:
• In 2018, there were 541,589 deaths registered in England and Wales
• There were 7,551 deaths registered in the UK in 2018 that related to alcohol-specific causes (11.9 deaths per 100,000 people).
Table 1: Leading cause of death by age group and sex in England and Wales, 2018
Males % of male deaths
All ages Ischaemic heart diseases 13.2
1 to 4 Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities 12.6
5 to 19 Suicide and injury/poisoning of undetermined intent 16.6
20 to 34 Suicide and injury/poisoning of undetermined intent 25.9
35 to 49 Accidental poisoning 12.5
50 to 64 Ischaemic heart diseases 17.3
65 to 79 Ischaemic heart diseases 14.8
80+ Dementia and Alzheimer disease 15.1
Females % of female deaths
All ages Dementia and Alzheimer disease 16.7
1 to 4 Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities 15.9
5 to 19 Suicide and injury/poisoning of undetermined intent 12.3
20 to 34 Suicide and injury/poisoning of undetermined intent 15.6
35 to 49 Malignant neoplasm of breast 12.6
50 to 64 Malignant neoplasm of breast 10.1
65 to 79 Malignant neoplasm of trachea, bronchus and lung 10.1
80+ Dementia and Alzheimer disease 23.6
It makes sense for anyone in the ‘at risk’ category to keep away from other people and take all reasonable precautions to avoid catching the virus, but can shutting down the World’s economy be justified and is it worth the cost?
Hope it will be a nice day. Sun is trying to come through.To while the time away let us know which games you are playing and maybe a short description.
I play with https://www.bigfishgames.com/us/en.html My games are all bought but there are a lot of free games. My games ---WordZen ---Around the world in 80 days (the free version limited days but it gets harder after that) and like Bubblez which one can not buy, but I only get to a certain stage and then I am stuck.
Good gaming
Free Rice Group (Edited)
Rumours flying about the group is a scam/fake.I checked with Snoopes ----TRUE ---- https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/free-rice/ ----- one can also check with ------https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freerice
I have created a Group on the Freerice games page
Group name is Boots
Code is RTBQMKNE
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Chapter 15.. Coronavirus post continued 😢 Lockdown day 10/11 (Edited)
Thurs 2nd/Friday 3rd April .
With the deaths now rising and the numbers infected also rising please keep supporting each other here..keep sharing any concerns or thoughts.
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How lockdown can affect your state of mind
Please just be carefull because people are going crazy from being in lockdown. Actually I've just been talking about this with the microwave and toaster while drinking coffee and all of us agreed that things are getting bad. I didn't mention anything to the washing machine as she puts a different spin on everything and certainly not to the fridge as he is acting cold and distant right now. In the end the iron calmed me down as she said "everything will be fine, no situation too pressing".Have a good day and try to stay positive. 😋
Covid 19 claims a famous victim
RIP Eddie Large.
At the age of 78 he was already in hospital with a heart condition when the Corona Virus struck and he died a few days later.
Inspired by Jamie Oliver’s programme on making minestrone soup, I checked what was lurking in the cupboard and made some red lentil and tomato soup. The Best Before End date on the dried lentils was March 1997. A few years ago there was national publicity about a couple who celebrated their golden wedding anniversary by eating a fifty year old tin of whole jellied chicken. I can’t compete with that, but can anyone beat 23 years?
The sun is trying to get through and it feels a bit warmer now = saving on heating oil.
In the past heard a millionaire saying on subject of catastrophes "I have the money". Should we all start adopting a few "how to save". Tea bags can be used more than once. Just Google and there are some interesting answers.
Have a good day.
8pm clap for NHS workers again tonight - Thursdays!! (Edited)
Looks like they are doing this as a weekly thing now... my road was a bit sparse last week of people clapping ...Maybe a lot of people hadn’t heard about this then but perhaps they will now after it would’ve been shown on TV last Thursday.
Fed up with staying in due to Coronavirus (Edited)
Just ponder on this for a minute...
2020 - We just have to stay in for a couple of months.
WW II - You have to leave your loved ones and might never see them again.
2020 - But my kids need some fresh air so we're all going to the park.
WW II - Your kids have to be evacuated and live with random good samaritans for their safety.
2020 - I can only Facetime my family and friends I can't see them.
WW II - I have written letters, I'm hoping they're received and I get a response this year.
2020 - I am trying to order my food shop online, it's taking ages to get to me I need, alcohol, and all the other foods I'm craving.
WW II - Are you coming to queue-up in the line for our rations-potato soup every day of the week?
2020 - The government hasn't said we can't go out, they just said we can but only once to exercise so I'm going to go meet my friends and do what I want.
WW II - I'm not going out just in case a bomb drops so I will stay in listening to some music quietly because the air raid siren might go off.
2020 - Netflix needs to sort the streaming out I can't even watch a series without it crashing.
WW II - We are sitting in the dark around a candle playing cards keeping as much light in as possible so the warplanes don't see us from above.
2020 - Every man for themselves, so I'm going to stock-pile as much as I can because we are more important than anyone else, never mind the elderly that gave us this freedom.
WW II - I'm so grateful for this community, everyone is helping each other out when and where we can, we must stay strong.
This is the perspective that we should have, we don't know how LUCKY we have it and people still aren't listening.
Stay in, it really is that simple!
London Underground in WWII
Songs by people self isolating. (Edited)
3.30 am not sleeping again woke after a nightmare a recurring one I keep having so went on YouTube to distract my self..found songs by people lockdown like us thought I would share some of the good ones
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cbe_aoaw0y4
Earlier this evening on another thread relating to Covid-19. @FranW attempted to imply that Russia would be a good place to be as there were no reported cases of Coronavirus.
Unfortunately you could not have been more wrong! Russia has sixteen international borders including one with China extending for 4,209 Kms. To seriously believe that Coronavirus has not crossed any of the 22,293 Kms of land border and 1,236 Kms of sea border is akin to believing that everybody should ignore the rules laid down by the Government as social distancing will not save as many lives as herd immunity. I can't seriously take anything as fact from somebody who can look at a country with a population in excess of 146.7 million and states that there are no cases of Coronavirus.
At the weekend I spent an hour and a half talking (on a video call) to a Russian friend of mine who lives on the outskirts of Moscow. She and her family are in isolation!
Her mother, has been redeployed from her usual role as an ENT consultant and is helping with the Covid-19 cases which are rapidly filling the hospitals.
Today, the BBC are reporting: The Russian parliament has approved an “anti-virus” package of laws including up to seven years in prison for serious violations of quarantine rules. The official tally remains relatively low at 2,337 and 17 deaths. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52109892
So quite where you got your information from, I have no idea.
Furthermore, the statement you aimed at me: "Governments never listen to 'reasoned arguments', thought you might realise that." Was actually a throw away line and as was explained by another person is an opinion of yours, not of mine and if you believe that Governments "never" listen to reasoned arguments, then you have serious issues which need to be addressed elsewhere, not on this forum.
Finally, I was shocked at the way you responded to @Vera2. I don't give a damn what political motivation you have, but you are an ignorant waste of space to insult her when she has just lost somebody she cared for, especially as she is concerned about the safety of everyone in this difficult time, and that includes you!
Care home residents being starved by Tesco
This was on BBC News today. A care home in Buxton with 25 residents usually would have a regular weekly delivery from Tesco. They spend around £1500 per week or £85k per year.
Last week they couldn't get a delivery slot. So they phoned Tesco to ask if they could be made a priority. Tesco said, they would be treated as a single household and were limited to 3 of any item.
The care home manager said to BBC News presenter Victoria Derbyshire, "How do I feed 25 people with 3 tins of baked beans and 3 bananas?"
Can you catch the Coronavirus twice?
Thank you for closing the post Clive.
I started the post and would have liked to end it.
I think the post has shown how one person can endanger the lives of many. You have to feel sorry for anyone who feels their 'civil liberty' and also does not believe in practising 'social distancing', are far more important than the lives of the rest of us.
Please Stay In and Stay Safe.
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Good morning/afternoon inmates
Grey skies no sun here.On worldometers virus no new cases at the moment in UK. Same yesterday but changed in the afternoon.
We were warned decades ago about a "Super Bug" and had quite a few outbreaks (Flu/Ebola aso)Could we not have prepared better? If authorities would have put an emergency package together and invited people to buy one would you have done so?This reminds me of the gas mask. Would this have been suitable?
What have you been eating since the lockdown.. have your food habits changed since all this shopping situation.. Have you been making do on what you have in the house so making up recipes of your own.
Are you finding you are eating more because you’re at home all day or less maybe due to lack of food and what have you just eaten for lunch today?
Shops banned from sellling Hot Cross Buns during Lockdown
Shops have been told by Enforcement Officers that they cannot sell Easter Eggs and Hot Cross Buns as they are not essential.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/easter-egg-crackdown-wrong-after-21779478
Can you catch the coronavirus twice?
They don’t know?
This is worrying as many think they have had Coronavirus and after 7 to 14 days are OK and start going out again, mixing with family and friends.
Stay in and stay safe for the current 12 weeks isolation.
www.newscientist.com/article/mg24532754-600-can-you-catch-the-coronavirus-twice-we-dont-know-yet/
Please tell those idiots in Crawley and other parts of the Country who had parties at the weekend. They are putting us all in danger.
Police have been called to parties and pub lock-ins
https://www.spiritfm.net/news/sussex-news/3071854/coronavirus-police-called-to-parties-and-pub-lock-ins/
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Usually a late to bed, late up I am up. Anybody up yet? Frosty morning and looked at my plum tree which is slowly dying but still has one big branch full of white blossoms. Victoria plums and delicious. With our strange weather pattern just hope we will get some fruit. If our country would be short of fruit in the Autumn this would be another disaster.
Looked at the coronavirus chart which did not look too bad but alas within one hour already steady increasing.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Forsythia looks lovely in the morning sun. Have a nice day.
I just signed the petition "Support self-employed people during coronavirus" and wanted to ask if you could add your name too.
You can read more and sign the petition here:
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/support-self-employed-people-during-coronavirus?bucket=email-blast-26_3_2020_selfemployed_kick&share=ec8e0df8-672e-45e5-945c-d7c5e0b1e31c&utm_campaign=26_3_2020_selfemployed_kick
Not sure if this will work for you all, but I'm loading it on my laptop this time. (Fingers crossed).
Anyone interested in previous generations.
Discovered lots of fibs and exaggeration when looking into personal family history many years ago.
Now's the opportunity to return to this hobby.
Would anyone recommend ancestry.co.uk or findmypast.co.uk, or any other on-line sources for info?
And have you found skeletons in cupboards?
The shops ran out of hand sanitiser gel ages ago but my local chemist had a hand sanitiser spray. The hand sanitiser gel I bought before had ethyl alcohol but the spray had isopropyl alcohol. Do any of you know if IPA is as effective as EA? The reason I ask is that I have about two litres of IPA in my workshop - I use it as a cleaning solvent to clean off sticky labels, clean fingerprints from CDs and DVDs, clean tape heads and so on.
Any idea what I could mix IPA with to make it more gel like? I'd need about two parts IPA to one part something else to get a suitable alcohol concentration.
Hope you are all well.
In the past you have seen me posting an appeal for "UN World Food Programme". As we all have time on our hands now I urge you all to take part. It is called free rice
http://www.gamesforchange.org/game/free-rice/
The categories encompass a total of 24 diverse subjects that can be played on 5 difficulty levels. (incl. languages) it starts easy but gets more difficult) I have played words, languages, landmarks
It was started October 7, 2007 and as of April 3, 2013, Freerice players had earned sufficient rice for over 10 million meals, assuming 2 meals per day.
For more info please read :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freerice
Would love for Scooploop to set up a group not only will it be good for us to while away some time knowing we doing something positive but it would also be good advertising for our site.
Do not know how to draw attention to management so please add link.
Good gaming all and please take part.
"A plane with 5 passengers on board -- Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, Angela Merkel, the Pope and a 10-year-old schoolgirl -- is about to crash and there are only 4 parachutes. Trump says "I need one. I’m the smartest man in the USA and I'm needed to solve the pandemic!" He takes one parachute and jumps. Johnson says‘I’m needed to sort out the COVID-19 mess in Britain’. He takes one and jumps. The Pope says, "The world's Catholics depend on me for comfort in a time of fear." He takes one and jumps. "You can have the last parachute," Merkel says to the 10-year-old. "I've lived my life. Yours is only just starting." The little girl replies: "Don’t worry, there are 2 parachutes left, the smartest man in the USA just took my school bag."
Spanish police (Edited)
Trying to keep the locals happy and entertained
https://vm.tiktok.com/G9XoUS/
Coronavirus, where did it come from?
Please read through this - it's worth the effort:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/28/is-factory-farming-to-blame-for-coronavirus
2 Saga ships are docked at Tilbury and have been offered for use as hospital ships if needed.
The majority of reports are related to online shopping scams where people have ordered protective face masks, hand sanitiser and other products, which have never arrived. Other frauds being reported include ticket fraud, romance fraud, charity fraud and lender loan fraud
Protection advice
Detailed counter fraud advice is available online, including from Scamsmart, ActionFraud, CIFAS, TakeFive, Citizens Advice, Trading Standards and the National Cyber Security Centre.
Reporting to Action Fraud can be done online at https://www.actionfraud.police.uk or by calling 0300 123 2040.
To report offers of financial assistance from HMRC contact phishing@hmrc.gov.uk.
Chapter 14 - coronavirus post continued all move over here 😷🧻🏚
Keep sharing your comments advice support... to help everyone get through it.
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Poem about the lockdown (Edited)
There was a really emotional poem read out on BBC Breakfast this morning, about the Corona Virus lockdown. But I can't find it on youtube.
It ended with the lines:
We are a United Kingdom We are a Kingdom United.
Let me say I'm sorry if some of you can't see this - there is a problem at the moment which is beyond my control.
These are exercises you should all be able to do at home. It may be a little difficult for some - but you can use bottles of hand gel instead! 😅